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2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44

I have heard people claim that God chooses who will be saved, and who will not be saved. And one of the verses they base this on, according to them, is John 6:44.

But this is not what I see in that verse. What I see, according to 2 Peter 3:9 (among a few other verses in the New Testament) that God calls everyone to Himself. The Holy Spirit stirs up everyone's heart to come to God. But, many rejects that stirring, and hardens his or her heart against Him. And after a while, their heart is so hardened, that it is practically impossible to come to Him.

Now, going by John 6:44, and verses of the like, it is our sinful nature that is no one can come to the Father. Our natural beings are rebellious, and do not want God. So unless God comes and stirs up our hearts, it would not be possible for anyone to come to God, it would not be possible for anyone be saved. This is what is meant, "I love Him because He FIRST loved me".

I just thought I would share this bit of info. (Open to discussion)

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Jan 25, 2015 - 09:52 AM

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false Teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, Even Denying the Lord that Bought Them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

So here we see that the Lord Jesus Christ Paid the fine or everyone, not just a select few.

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Jan 25, 2015 - 10:21 AM

Without using verses, that is what I have always believed. But when I heard people say that, according to John 6:44, that God decides who and who will not be saved, I honestly couldn't explain it, except that I knew it didn't mean what they claim it to mean. I know God well enough to know that He wants everyone to be saved, and that is why in quite a few verses He says "for all". But it wasn't until recently that the Holy Spirit revealed the true meaning of that verse, and verses that says the same thing. Which is why I decided to post this.

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Jan 25, 2015 - 04:19 PM

That's the same way it is for the Doctrine of Eternal Salvation.
There are over 400 verses that indicate that "once saved, always saved"
There are only 12 that on appearance, without context, seem to say you can lose your Salvation.

Both Doctrines come from The Reformed Church, which is select teachings from the Puritians.

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Jan 26, 2015 - 05:40 AM

Shirley,
the doctrine of eternal salvation "once save, always saved" is actually the false doctrine. Otherwise God would have to take away our free will from us.
And the verses that state this do have context, in fact the entire book of Hebrews is warning the jews not to abandon their faith in order to return to following the Law of Moses as their means of salvation.

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Jan 26, 2015 - 06:04 AM

Important:

Heavykevy was wrong when he told Shirley in a previous answer that "the doctrine of eternal salvation 'once save, always saved' is actually the false doctrine." This is only his opinion, not fact. You'll find out why if you read this article (entitled "Once saved always saved?"): http://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html.

I have more verses to add:

-- John 10:27-29 [Jesus speaking]: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

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Jan 26, 2015 - 07:48 AM

I just found another article about the question of eternal security of the believer. It's called "Does the Bible Teach 'One [Once] Saved, Always Saved'?" and quotes many scriptures (including some in Hebrews, as Heavy mentioned in his answer above) and gives an explanation of what they mean.

Here's the link for the article, if you want to read it: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/saved_certain.htm.

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Jan 26, 2015 - 10:39 AM

I'm sorry Linda, but I must respectfully disagree.
I am not one who takes the word of God lightly and posts that which is merely my opinion, and when it is my opinion, I will state so.
I am one whose daily bread is the Word of God who makes it a point to live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God and to meditate in His word day and night.
Furthermore, I listen to at least one sermon daily by men who take the word of God as seriously as I do and who have been doing so for longer than I have so as to grow in grace in and in the knowledge of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Now, I could spend a few hours or even days breaking down scripture and presenting it in context refuting the once-saved always saved doctrine, but I don't really have the time right now...
Instead, I will present the following for your review and consideration:
http://www.bible.ca/cal-P-refutation.htm
I have reviewed this site and though it is informationally correct, there is at least one or two more verses that they could have included that directly contradict the eternal salvation doctrine.
For example jude 1-19 especially vs 12 where it refers to them as twice dead. In order for one to still be living and Jude to call them twice dead, they had to be dead (spiritually), be regenerated with life (spiritual life, or eternal life, or the nature of God), and become dead (spiritually) once again.
The Bible does not refer to being born again as eternal life because it cannot be lost or revoked, but because by nature of its source, it is eternal in nature because it is spiritual in nature and comes from God. When God created Adam, He breathed (or released) into Adam the breath of life. That is to say Adam was born with the same life in Him that we receive when we become born again. He was the son of God in the same way that we can become the son of God and yet Adam lost His eternal life nature and became a sin natured (or death natured) man.
In the same way that Adam was able to lose his like, we can choose to forfeit ours.

I would like also to post a series of sermons preached by my pastor, one of those men I referred to earlier who takes God's word seriously.
This series is a very line-upon-line, in context view of the topic of whether our eternity is secure.
I highly recommend it...
The series can be found on the following page: http://jmmgrace.com/teachings5.html
and is entitled (16) S163 Is My Eternity Secure?

Please not it is free...

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