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Dec 15, 2014 - 11:25 AM
However, I have heard of many similar stories, and believe all of the information you have presented in your "story".
Also, in the past I did basically the same thing as you did going around my house and anointing it with oil...
That said, I would have to say that I don't see anything in your facts/story that point to oil, whether it is anointing oil or not, being of any consequence. And in that God's word is the standard by which we must judge everything... So I would say that we need to explore what God's word says about the topic.
1st, the blood on the doorposts was blood and not oil, 2nd it was a type and shadow of things to come, 3rd, just because we label oil as anointing oil doesn't make it any different spiritually from any other oil, 4th, the only mention of using oil I can think of in the New Testament is for praying for the sick.
Now, I could have missed or forgotten something, so if someone can show me from scripture what I have missed and how oil can be used as a barrier against demons (in context), then I am open to looking in to it, but I can't see making a doctrine of using oil to ward off demons from what I currently know of what the Word says about it.
Furthermore, That is not how Jesus or the Apostles did it according to what I read in the Bible. What I read is that they recognized their God given authority of having been seated in Heavenly places far above all of the Devil's kingdom and exercised that authority by speaking to, rebuking, binding and casting the demons out. So, based on my understanding of what the Word says, I would say that the oil has no power and the demons don't care about it, it is the authority that you and I walk in that they recognize.
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By on 12/15/2014 2:58:27 PM | Like (0) | Report
I could definitely see your point. About the blood over the door ways, I knew it was blood, that is why I stated "like when God had". To be perfectly honest, I myself do not know of any scripture about anointing oil in reference of spiritual warfare (casting out demons, etc.) For one, this is what I was told that could be done when I first came to Christ. I do know this, however, after I use anointing oil on my place of dwelling, I feel the Holy Spirit even more. For example, this morning, before I put this question up, and before I left to work, I anointed this house. Immediately I felt the Hold Spirit fill this place. And now, almost 12 hours of being away, I walk in the door, and I still feel Him in this house. There is such a sense of peace, and a strong sense of love in this house right now, it's almost overwhelming.
Oh, I forgot to mention, "one" of the reasons that had led me to believe that the anointing oil can, and does play a part, though I haven't found scripture in this sense, is because of what happened there in my experience that I shared. I actually have another experience;
I was listening to worship music one night, with the lights out, and with my hands up in the air praising Him. All of a sudden, I felt an evil presence in the apartment. I paused the music and anointed the apartment, rebuking the evil spirits in Jesus name. I anointed over all the doors and window, and even the faucets. After this, I went back to worshipping God, but immediately felt an evil presence behind me. So, I stopped once again, thinking the only thing I didn't anoint was the a/c vent. So, I did. I then went back to worshipping feeling no evil whatsoever. I learned that night that satan and his demons can and will use every creak and cranny to get into someone's house.
To be perfectly honest, I have had quite a few spiritual experiences in my life, both of evil and of good. Of course evil meaning Satanism, and good meaning Godly.
By on 12/15/2014 3:10:33 PM | Like (0) | Report
Oh, forgot to mention, I'm not going to "swear by" the use of anointing oil, I just know what I go through involving it. I hope that even though it is through the words I type, you can tell that I love God, and don't want nothing that will lead me away from Him, no false belief. This is something that I told God from the start, I want Him, not a belief. A belief will not get me into Heaven, only He can. So Him is Who I want.
By on 12/15/2014 5:30:47 PM | Like (0) | Report
A person should not want what they already have!
By on 12/16/2014 1:52:42 AM | Like (0) | Report
1 Timothy 4:1 tells us that in the last days, people "will" fall away and follow deceiving spirits. I know that satan can be very convincing. And this is why so many people falls away from God and follow him. Well, I surely don't want to be one of them.
By on 12/16/2014 10:31:59 AM | Like (0) | Report
Yes, that is true that in the last days people will fall away and follow deceiving spirits. You do not sound very confident that this will not be you. You say that you do not want to be one of them that will fall away and follow deceiving spirits in the last days, but what you need to know is that if you have been born of God’s Spirit, you will not be one of these.
In John 10:27-29, Jesus said “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:” Are you one of His sheep? Do you hear His voice and are you following Him?
Jesus goes on to say in verse 28, “And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” If you’ve received Christ and been born of His Spirit, what did He give you? Eternal life! How long is eternal? If a person is worried that later on they will “fall away” and no longer follow Jesus, but follow Satan and deceiving spirits, then they need to question whether or not they trust that Jesus gave them eternal life.
Jesus said that those that have eternal life shall never perish. This is a “double negative” in the Greek, showing the strongest impossibility of something ever happening. Eternal life is just that, eternal!
Now if you look back at John 10:5, Jesus says “And a stranger they will not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.”
This sort of throws a wrench in the verse you bring up (1 Timothy 4:1). Is a true believer going to listen to the voice of Satan and follow him in the last days? According to Jesus, the answer is an emphatic NO!
My friend, if the Spirit of God lives inside of you, you will not fall away and you will not follow the voice of a stranger or “deceiving spirits.” Why do you still worry? We have to trust Jesus. If we are trusting in ourselves, we are never going to find comfort!
By on 12/16/2014 1:05:36 PM | Like (0) | Report
I just wanted to share something else with you about when Jesus said “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” and also that His sheep will not follow the voice of a stranger but will flee from them.
You have to understand who Jesus was speaking to when He said these things. The people who He said these things to knew what He was saying. You see, back in those days, and even before Jesus came, what they would do in Jerusalem, what the shepherds would do is that in the evening before sundown, they would gather all their sheep up and put them into one huge closed in area and they would close the doors and lock them in order to keep the sheep safe until morning.
This wasn’t just one shepherd securing his sheep in one place, this was several shepherds and each one of them would have anywhere from 10 to 100 sheep each. They would put them all together in one holding place. So you have all these sheep, hundreds of them belonging to various shepherds all mixed in together, and when morning came, the door would be opened and each individual shepherd would come to the door and call out his sheep.
Now check this out. Only the sheep that belong to that particular shepherd would come out. None of the others would come out. You know why? They did not recognize his voice. There was no way they would come out. It had to be the voice of their shepherd or they wouldn’t come out.
You see, a person who has the Spirit of Christ in them hears His voice. He is the good shepherd. We are His sheep (Those who have His Spirit dwelling in them), and we will not listen to the voice of a stranger. We WILL NOT fall away and we WILL NOT chase after deceiving spirits. There is only ONE voice we will listen to and follow. As His sheep, we might hear another voice, but Jesus says we will not follow a strange voice. It is ONLY His voice that His sheep will follow!
By on 12/16/2014 3:06:40 PM | Like (0) | Report
I was thinking about it today and believe I used the wrong verse. I "know" I will not fall into believing deceiving spirits, because God has shown me who HE REALLY IS, and nothing can change that. And I trust Him when He said that no one can xxxx those that belong to Him out of His Hand, and I know I belong to Him, so..................
The verse I should have used was 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;
22 abstain from every form of evil.
Believe me, I don't doubt that I am His, and will belong to Him for eternity. But my intentions are to share my experiences with anointing oil, and get opinions, kind of like "testing" it, since it is not Biblically used in Spiritual Warfare. But, I have had Spiritual events occurred when using it. Maybe it has nothing to do with the oil, maybe it does. I don't know for sure. What I do know is that using it at that time in my sister's house, and though I had it for months without using it, at that particular time, my nephew drank it. That led me to think that it is harmful, otherwise, why would he drink it at that particular time, and not before? Or even weeks or months afterwards? This is not to mention the feeling of the Holy Spirit after anointing the house, whichever house I am living in and anointing at the time.
One conclusion that I have came up with is that I believe I may be more in touch with the spiritual world than others, even fellow Brothers and Sisters in Christ. The reason why I have started thinking this is because when I share my experiences, I hear people say that they have never experienced things like that, and I can see fruits of the Spirit in them, so I know they are a Child of God.
By on 12/17/2014 10:22:57 AM | Like (0) | Report
That's some conclusion!
By on 12/17/2014 3:09:08 PM | Like (0) | Report
I feel that God revealed to me to day that what is going on with me, why I have experienced things that others haven't, is because I have the discerning spirit, which Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 12:10. I was wondering today about why is it that I have experienced things as I have, both good and bad, yet not many other Children of God has, that I have came across that is. This is what "came to me" today while I was at work, and when I got home, I checked the verses where Paul was mentioning about the gifts of the Spirit, and I found it. So I guess that would explain it.
By on 12/17/2014 6:07:10 PM | Like (0) | Report
Tex, Can you share with me what discrenment means to you and how you apply this to yourself, and how do you connect discernment with experiences? Thanks!
By on 12/17/2014 11:59:17 PM | Like (0) | Report
Discerning of spirits is a gift from the Holy Spirit to distinguish if a spirit is of -God, like in Acts 10:30-35 which is of God, or of the devil, like in Acts 16:16-18 which is of the devil, or of man, like in Acts 8:18-23.
If you have another explanation as to why every Christian does not experience such things as I have, please share it.
By on 12/18/2014 11:35:19 AM | Like (0) | Report
I wish I could help you as to why other Christians don’t experience the things you do, but I can’t. I don’t think anyone can explain that to you. That seems impossible to explain. Not everyone has the same experiences. However, the one thing that all Christians do experience is the manifestation of God’s Spirit working in their lives. If you look at it that way, then every Christian does experience the same thing.
As far as discerning of spirits being a gift from the Holy Spirit, I am not too sure I agree with that. The reason I say this is because according to the bible, there is only one gift that is promised to every believer that receives Christ, and that is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the only gift promised. All these other things listed in the bible are only manifestations of God’s Spirit.
In other words, it is God’s Spirit performing these various things that we call “gifts.” It is not like God gives us a gift and says go use it. We are incapable of producing anything spiritual without God’s Spirit. The only thing we can produce is flesh. All these things listed in the bible as “gifts” are simply manifestations of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit has the capability and capacity to perform these things, we don’t.
Heavy mentioned that he hasn’t experienced anything like you did, and neither have I. People do have experiences but not everyone does. Since I have been a Christian, I would have to think long and hard to come up with any experiences. To be honest with you, I can’t remember if I ever had any experiences at all, but I still know that Christ lives in me. You see for me, I don’t have to have experiences to know He’s there. God does not need to do anything at all, but I still know He’s there.
My understanding is that we as believer’s live by faith, apart from experiences. I don’t think believer’s need experiences. If I were to have an experience, how do I even know it is from God? The bible tells me that Satan transforms himself into an angel of light. So how do I know an experience that I might have is from God or not? The answer to that is I don’t know and that is why I am cautious about experiences. I know that God can do anything He wants to do but if He chooses not to give me experiences, my faith and trust is still in Him.
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